Dani Shapiro

On Talking

I know this, I've known this forever, but still I fall prey to it: sometimes I talk too much about a piece of writing-- an idea for a novel, a story, an essay--before  I sit down and actually try to write it.  Lately I've been all hopped up, back from book tour, over-stimulated, and I've grown accustomed to having lots and lots of conversation.  I have some time now to settle in quietly and think and write -- but what have I been doing instead?  Talking, talking, talking.  I've talked to a few friends, I've talked to my husband, I've even answered the dreaded question at cocktail parties and barbecues: what are you working on? And each time I talk about it, I feel the very essence of the idea--the moment, the shimmer, the image, the piece of language--slip away a little more.  I start to lose my footing before I've even found it.  The idea begins to go flat.  What was I thinking, anyway?  Why did I think it was worth exploring?  Where before there was the beginning of a landscape in my mind, suddenly there is only dust.  All because I opened my mouth and let it loose, instead of harnessing it on the page.

For years I have kept a quote from Nietzsche on the bulletin board above my desk: "That for which we find words is already dead in our hearts," he wrote.  "There is always a kind of contempt in the act of speaking." When I talk about what I'm thinking, instead of simply thinking it--when I talk about it instead of grabbing a notebook and starting to lay down words, what I'm really doing is succumbing to my own anxiety.

Is it going to be any good? Does the story have legs?  Can I create momentum?  Is it something anyone other than me will care about?  Here's the thing: I cannot possibly know this. Until I write it, I will not know.  I can talk about it until I'm blue in the face, but all that will happen is that it will wither and die before I've had a chance to find out.

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  • I have been thinking much along the same lines lately. The problem with being immersed in social media is that I can get so lost in the chatter and talking about, I lose all the actual doing. I often vacillate between being over-connected and isolated. Isolation is better for creativity, but not too much, as it can lead to too much inward spiraling. Balance is always best, often sought, rarely achieved. Fortunately I have my children (my own little chaos machines) to constantly push the reset button on whatever rut I've gotten too comfortable in. Now I suppose I should stop commenting on other people's blogs and actually write something on my own (http://thesquashedbologna.blogspot.com).
  • It IS good, you do have many people who are fascinated with the book and have read and adored it. ME being one of them. If you are working on a new book, so be it. I started a blog with one tentative post (hibernationnow.wordpress.com) and now I have over 135. The title alone (hibernationnow) is what I was trying to escape from and I did it, little by little. My voice, my feelings. I've heard this expression before and I wanted to share it with your "Praying is talking to G-D, Meditating is Listening." Love, Laurie
  • Talking is a hydrant in the yard and writing is a faucet upstairs in the house. Opening the first takes all the pressure off the second.
    Robert Frost
  • I completely agree. For me, talking about any piece that's not done pretty much guarantees that it will never get done.
  • Absolutely. No dissonance with anything said above! Excerpt from a difficult letter I wrote to a friend, explaining why I did not want her to visit me although she would be in the area - near the village I was writing in - and about in my "Bendithion":

    My heart has grown some very delicate tendrils attached to the mysterious heart of this village, and I prefer that no one from the other world (except my children of course) visit me here. Something happens when I bring my former life and present one together and it alters everything - the perception of what I am writing - my relationship to the material and the source of it -and my ability to write it - a balance is disrupted. That recursive occlusion in which I live recedes from itself and I find it very distressing and very difficult to get back into the book I live in and the book I am writing. It all disappears and so much richness that has built up is lost. I am not sure why that happens but most writers I know feel that way, which is why they tend to be reclusive while working on their material. One of my friends, Isaac Asimov, wrote in a closet in the middle of New York. I've been in it. Another, Harlan Ellison, writes in an invisible room, encastled in Sherman Oaks. I've been in that too. But I live in a land that that few other than my friends and neighbours can "be" in - a land that does not exist unless I remain attached to something I cannot fathom. So I am, to put it bluntly, hiding out."

    Thank you for this great post!

    Harrison Solow
  • Your words ring true for me. I have a Turkish proverb taped to my computer: "Listen a hundred times. Ponder a thousand times. Speak once." This has saved me from an ill-disseminated rant, from talking out an idea before it was clear to me, and from thoroughly embarrassing myself on a number of occasions, particularly when I was still in-house counsel for a corporation.
  • Talking keeps the quiet out.

    Sibylla Brown
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