Dani Shapiro

On Talking

I know this, I've known this forever, but still I fall prey to it: sometimes I talk too much about a piece of writing-- an idea for a novel, a story, an essay--before  I sit down and actually try to write it.  Lately I've been all hopped up, back from book tour, over-stimulated, and I've grown accustomed to having lots and lots of conversation.  I have some time now to settle in quietly and think and write -- but what have I been doing instead?  Talking, talking, talking.  I've talked to a few friends, I've talked to my husband, I've even answered the dreaded question at cocktail parties and barbecues: what are you working on? And each time I talk about it, I feel the very essence of the idea--the moment, the shimmer, the image, the piece of language--slip away a little more.  I start to lose my footing before I've even found it.  The idea begins to go flat.  What was I thinking, anyway?  Why did I think it was worth exploring?  Where before there was the beginning of a landscape in my mind, suddenly there is only dust.  All because I opened my mouth and let it loose, instead of harnessing it on the page.

For years I have kept a quote from Nietzsche on the bulletin board above my desk: "That for which we find words is already dead in our hearts," he wrote.  "There is always a kind of contempt in the act of speaking." When I talk about what I'm thinking, instead of simply thinking it--when I talk about it instead of grabbing a notebook and starting to lay down words, what I'm really doing is succumbing to my own anxiety.

Is it going to be any good? Does the story have legs?  Can I create momentum?  Is it something anyone other than me will care about?  Here's the thing: I cannot possibly know this. Until I write it, I will not know.  I can talk about it until I'm blue in the face, but all that will happen is that it will wither and die before I've had a chance to find out.

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  • http://www.timberhilloaksavanna.com/ Sibylla Brown

    Talking keeps the quiet out.

    Sibylla Brown

  • http://www.shyjot.com Amanda Salisbury

    Your words ring true for me. I have a Turkish proverb taped to my computer: "Listen a hundred times. Ponder a thousand times. Speak once." This has saved me from an ill-disseminated rant, from talking out an idea before it was clear to me, and from thoroughly embarrassing myself on a number of occasions, particularly when I was still in-house counsel for a corporation.

  • http://redroom.com/author/harrison-solow Harrison Solow

    Absolutely. No dissonance with anything said above! Excerpt from a difficult letter I wrote to a friend, explaining why I did not want her to visit me although she would be in the area - near the village I was writing in - and about in my "Bendithion":

    My heart has grown some very delicate tendrils attached to the mysterious heart of this village, and I prefer that no one from the other world (except my children of course) visit me here. Something happens when I bring my former life and present one together and it alters everything - the perception of what I am writing - my relationship to the material and the source of it -and my ability to write it - a balance is disrupted. That recursive occlusion in which I live recedes from itself and I find it very distressing and very difficult to get back into the book I live in and the book I am writing. It all disappears and so much richness that has built up is lost. I am not sure why that happens but most writers I know feel that way, which is why they tend to be reclusive while working on their material. One of my friends, Isaac Asimov, wrote in a closet in the middle of New York. I've been in it. Another, Harlan Ellison, writes in an invisible room, encastled in Sherman Oaks. I've been in that too. But I live in a land that that few other than my friends and neighbours can "be" in - a land that does not exist unless I remain attached to something I cannot fathom. So I am, to put it bluntly, hiding out."

    Thank you for this great post!

    Harrison Solow

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=557424474 Fred Bubbers

    I completely agree. For me, talking about any piece that's not done pretty much guarantees that it will never get done.

  • http://johnbakersblog.co.uk John Baker

    Talking is a hydrant in the yard and writing is a faucet upstairs in the house. Opening the first takes all the pressure off the second.
    Robert Frost

  • Dani

    Thanks for this, John. Particularly resonant as my writing studio is upstairs in my house.

  • Dani

    Hi Fred. I'm realizing how much I've been not following my own advice lately -- blabbing all over the place about ideas instead of sorting them out in my head and on the page. There's a time for dialogue, and for literary conversation -- usually after a first draft is done.

  • Dani

    Harrison, lovely to see you here on my blog! I've been getting into the habit of telling people, lately, that I am on a self-imposed retreat. Another way of putting it: hiding out. Impossible to overestimate the necessity of solitude. Thanks.

  • Dani

    Great proverb -- true so for many aspects of life, not just the writing life!

  • http://hibernationnow.wordpress.com Laurie

    It IS good, you do have many people who are fascinated with the book and have read and adored it. ME being one of them. If you are working on a new book, so be it. I started a blog with one tentative post (hibernationnow.wordpress.com) and now I have over 135. The title alone (hibernationnow) is what I was trying to escape from and I did it, little by little. My voice, my feelings. I've heard this expression before and I wanted to share it with your "Praying is talking to G-D, Meditating is Listening." Love, Laurie

  • http://thesquashedbologna.blogspot.com/ Varda (squashed mom)

    I have been thinking much along the same lines lately. The problem with being immersed in social media is that I can get so lost in the chatter and talking about, I lose all the actual doing. I often vacillate between being over-connected and isolated. Isolation is better for creativity, but not too much, as it can lead to too much inward spiraling. Balance is always best, often sought, rarely achieved. Fortunately I have my children (my own little chaos machines) to constantly push the reset button on whatever rut I've gotten too comfortable in. Now I suppose I should stop commenting on other people's blogs and actually write something on my own (http://thesquashedbologna.blogspot.com).

  • http://thesquashedbologna.blogspot.com/ Varda (squashed mom)

    I have been thinking much along the same lines lately. The problem with being immersed in social media is that I can get so lost in the chatter and talking about, I lose all the actual doing. I often vacillate between being over-connected and isolated. Isolation is better for creativity, but not too much, as it can lead to too much inward spiraling. Balance is always best, often sought, rarely achieved. Fortunately I have my children (my own little chaos machines) to constantly push the reset button on whatever rut I've gotten too comfortable in. Now I suppose I should stop commenting on other people's blogs and actually write something on my own (http://thesquashedbologna.blog...).